IBM FacilityHAYWARD AND PAKAN ASSOCIATES
C 0 IN S U L T t N G E N G I N E E R S
54 MARKET STREET
July 15, 1981
POUGHKEEPSIE, N. Y. 12601
Mr. Louis Diehl, Supervisor
Town of Wappinger
Town Hall
Mill Street
Wappingers Falls, NY 12S90
Project: IBM Design and Development Facilities
Myers Corners Road - Town of Wa-P .pii
ngers
Subject: Fire Floor Tests
Dear Mr. Diehl,
914/454.9440
My client, Pizzagalli Development Company, has requested. that
a fire flow test be conducted at the location of the above
referenced proposed. project.
Will you kindly advise what steps are necessary to conduct
such tests in accordance with the Fire Underwriters Standards.
We would like these tests conducted under the direction of
the New Hackensack Fire Department, the Operators of the
Town Water System (Came) and the Town Fngineer (Mr. La -Dar).
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
Very truly yours,
HAYIVARPAKAN ASSOCIATES
Wilfred A. Rohde, P.E.
WAR/ct
cc: New Hackensack Fire Department - Chief Peter Howell
Camo, Pollution Control
Mr. Rudolph E. Lap ar, P.E,
Mr. Thomas Mackin - Pizzagalli
5711 -SW
HAROLD HAYWARD P.E. WALTERS. PAKAN P.E. DONALD G. TOMLINS P.E. WILFRED A. ROHDE P.E. ROGER A. MASTM L.S.
JUL
James A. Klein Enterprises
RD 4 Gild Hopewell Road
Wappingers Falls, NY. 12590
(914) 297-4383-84
RECEIVED
,JUL
ELAINE KA SNOWDEN
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June 4, 1981 RECEIVED
Town Board RM L SMMH
Town of Wappinger
Mill Street
Wappingers Falls, New York 12590
RE: Fieldstone Farm Subdivision - Use of Polyvinyl
Chloride Pressure Pipe
Dear Board Members:
I would like to request that we be allowed to use Polyvinyl
Chloride (PVC) water pipe on my Fieldstone Farm Subdivision.
The majority of the towns in the State of New York have
approved the use of this pipe, and it has also been approved
by the AWWA 0900-75.
I believe Mr. Lapar, the town engineer, has written an
opinion on the use of this pipe.
I will also have my engineer (Jack Railing of Richard Barger's
office) attend your meeting on Monday, June 8. Mr. Railing
has done an extensive study on PVC pipe, and I am sure can
answer any questions you might have.
Thank you f your cooperation.
O� k,
Very truly /Yours,
JAMES A. %tEIN,..INC.
Jam'es/A/Klein
cc: J. Railing
RICHARD G. BARGER
LICENSED
prof uii"al Engineer d Land Surveyor
NEW HACKENSACK ROAD
WAPPINGERSS FALLS. N. Y. 12890
AREA COD! Pu 297-9435
297-5775
June 11, 1981 ioe
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Supervisor Louis Diehl
Town of Wappinger
Mill Street
Wappinger Falls$ NY 12590 „ J
Re: Fieldstone Farm Subdivision,�/�/
Spook Hill Road
Town of Wappinger
Dear Mr. Diehl:
This letter will serve to respond to questions raised during
the Town Board meeting of June 8, 1981, relative to this
offices request to use John's Mansville "Blue -- Brute" Water
Pape.
.Concern was expressed over the disadvantages of the proposed
P.V.C. pipe. According to the Town Engineer, the following are
the stated disadvantages of the pipe.
1. Distortion of the pipe when exposed'to the elements.
2. Floatation of the pipe.
3. Location of the pipe after installation.
4. Freezing of the pipe.
In my May 8, 1981 letter, hand delivered to Mr. La Par, I addressed
these disadvantages, The following is an expanded restatement of
the measures, which may be taken to .mitigate these problems..
.1. The distortion of the pipe is a claim made by the Town
Engineer. The basis of this claim is unknown. Based
on information available to this office, and as stated
at the June 8, 1981 meeting, the distortion of the pipe
should not occur. Mr. La Par suggests excessive temperatures,
and continued sunlight for excessive periods might affect
the pipe.
Preventive measures suggested in my May 8th letter
included the erection of a storage area for the pipe
preventing direct sunlight from affecting the pipe.
Re:
Pg. -2-
Fieldstone Farm Subdivision
Spopk Hill Road
Town of Wappinger
(Continued)
Primary prevention to the installation of alleged
distorted.pipe is the inspection of the installation of
the pipe itself. It is assumed that based on the inspections
fees required by -the Town ($200* per lot) that a Town
Inspector would be on the site 8 hoursperday. In addition
this office would also be involveduring the installation.
Daily inspection of each pipe length to be installed is
assured. Any length of pipe.can be rejected by either
engineer as necessary.
2. The floatation of the pipe is a disadvantage easily
remedied. As noted in my May 8th letter, proper anchoring
and. backf ill ing construction practices usually eliminate.
this problem. Inview of the present inspection practices
of the Town, this problem should never be of conoern.•
3. Location of the pipe is not a problem. Current technology
provides for the installation of metal strips located above
the pipe for easy location of the pipe with metal detectors.
4. Freezing of the pipe is a suggested problem with the P.V.C.
pipe. As previously stated, the pipe will.be burried an
additional foot of depth below the current town requirement
as an added protection against frezing.
There are the four stated disadvantages of this particular P.V.C, pipe.
All four disadvantages can be over come through proper design, and
installation.
It is of note that no disadvantage or problem has been stated relative
to the structural strength of the.pipe itself. In this respect, the
pipe is equivalent to Ductile Iron Pipe. If all disadvantages of the
pipe are eliminated as suggested above, the P.V.C. pipe becomes
equivalent to Ductile.Iron Pipe.
The following advantages make John's Mansville P.V.C. superior to
Ductile Iron Pipe.
X,. The pipe is cost effective. John's Mansville P.V.C. pipe
is less expensive than Ductile Iron Pipe.
2. John's Mansville P.V.C. pipe is easier to install than
Ductile Iron Pipe,
a.) It is much lighter than Ductile Iron Pipe. A 20'
length of 8" P.V.C. can be lifted, and carried by
two men. 8" Ductile Iron Pipe cannot
b.) Ring joints have the rubber gaskets installed at the
factory, and no field installation is required. No
field mixing of cement for joints is required.
pg. -3-
Re:
3-Re: Fieldstone Farm Subdivision
Spook Hill. Road
Town of Wappinger
(Continued)
c.). Longer laying lengths are possible, eliminating
excessive joints and resulting potential leakage.
Shorter lengths can be easily fabricated.in the
field, due to ease of cutting the pipe.
3. The pipe is unaffected by electrolytic or galvanic
corrosion or any soil or water condition. The service
life of the pipe is greater, and the pipe does not lose
strength because it is non-metalic.
Inview of the above stated facts, the proposed use of John's
Mansville P.V.C. pipeis superior to the Ductile Iron Pipe
because:
�. It is.cost effective.
2„ Service life is greater.
3. It is easier to.install.
4p. It is structurally sound.
5. Leakage from the pipe is minimized.
It is noted that Mr. La Par indicated a bad experience with this
type of pipe in Serenity Mission. "Blue Brute" was not the pipe
installed in Serenity Mission. In addition, P.V.C. pipe has been
improved substantially since the time Serenity Mission was built.
It is requested that John's Mansville "Blue Brute" be approved for
this project, for the water distribution system.
Very truly yours,
n E. Railing, P.E.
JER:mo
C.C. Mr. Rudolph E. La Par
Mr. James Klein
RUDOLF111 E. L,APXR, P.E.,P.C.
Consulting Engineers
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274 ALL ANGELS HILL ROAD
WAPPINGERS FALLS, N.Y. 12590
Phone. 297-3935
May 27, 1981
Town Board
Town of Wappinger
Mill Street
Wappingers Falls, N.Y. 12590
Re: Polyvinyl Chloride
(PVC) Pressure Pipe
AWWA 0900-75
Dear Board Members:
Main Office:
90 EAST mAIN STREET
WAPPINGERS FALLS, N.Y. 12590
Phone. 297-6272
t; 2 8 1981
ELAINE H, SN9WDEN
At present the Town of Wappinger requires that ductile -iron
pipe be placed in all parts of the Central Wappinger Water
System. Request during the past year for the acceptance of
PVC pipe has suggested that we place the matter before the
Board.
My research has shown the following advantages and disadvan-
tages:
ADVANTAGES:
l.Direct material cost and installation appears to be sub-
stantially less than that of Ductile Iron Spec. Pipe.
DISADVANTAGES:
1.Difficult to find if not accurately located on maps. This
can be alleviated by the use of a metal stripe attached to
the top of pipe.
2.Not easily thawed if frozen. This could be eliminated if
bury was required I foot below cast iron pipe minimum,
May 27, 1981
Although,we do not either,recom.mend or reject this pipe as an
alternative, J.t would be our recommendation to at least have -it
as an alternate bid in any future municipal contracts.
Your direction is solicited.
very /t'rYour-s
ARudolph Lap ar, P.E,
RELI/lr
RUDOLPH E. LAPAH, P.E.,P.C.
Consulting Engineers
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Horne: main-office.
274 ALL ANGELS MILL ]ROAD 90 PAST UAW 5'TREET
WAPPINGM FALL% N.Y. 12590 WAPPIHGERS FALLS, N.Y. 22590
Phone: 297»3935: Phonef297-6272
May 27, 1981
RECEIVED
MAY 2 S 1981
'ELAINE SNOB&
Town Board
Town of Wappinger
Mall Street '
Wappingers Falls, N.Y_ 12590
Re: Polyvinyl Chloride
(PVC) Pressure Pipe
AWWA C900-75
Dear Board Members:
At present the .Town of Wappinger requires that ductile-iron
pipe be placed.in all parts of the Central Wappinger Water
System. Request during the past year for the acceptance of
PVC pipe has suggested that we place.the matter before the
Board_
My research has shown the following advantages and disadvan-
tages:
ADVANTAGES:
l.Direct material cost and installation appears to be sub-
stantially less than that of Ductile Iron Spec. Pipe.
DISADVANTAGES:
l.Difficult to find if not accurately located on maps. This
can be alleviated by the.use of a metal stripe attached to
the top of pipe.
2.Not easily thawed if frozen_. This could be eliminated if'
�] bury was required 1 foot below cast iron pipe miniinum.
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RICHARD G. BARGER
L,ICENSPD
Professional Engineer & Land Surveyor
NEW HACKENSACK ROAD
WAPPINGERS FALLS, N. Y. 12590
Aft EA CODE 914 297-9435
297-5775
Mr. Rudolph E. Lapar,
Engineer to the Town
Town of Wappinger
90 East Main Street
Wappingers Falls, NY
Dear Mr. Lapar:
P.E.
1.2.590
May 8th, 1981
R�CGIV�®
MAT, 12 1981,
ELAINE S. SNOWDEN
Attached find Water Main Specifications for Fieldstone
Farm Development, Town of Wappinger. Per our previous discussion
this office is requesting for the developer, Mr. James A. Klein,
that the Johns - Mansville "Blue Brute" be permitted as water
distribution pipe for this development. I have attached a
copy of AWWA C-900-75 for your use as well as a copy of the
J -M brochure.
As you know the PVC pipe has certain advantages equivalent to the
Town required Ductile Iron pipe including but not limited to:
1. Long laying lengths.
2. Less joints due to (1) above.
3. Light weight materials.
4. Easy transportation and handling_
5. Cost effective,.
6. Unaffected by electrolytic or galvanic corrosion or
any soil or water condition, rr
7. Each length of pipe without exception is hydrostaically
tested and inspected.
8. C = 1.50 (H & W).
9. Design includes a surge allowance for a 2 fps surge flow.
Actual pressure rating of pipe including surge is 183 psi for
PC 150 pipe.
FIELDSTONE FARM TOWN OF WA PPINGERS
WATER MAIN SPECIFICATIONS
These specifications specify the water main pip4ng to serve
the proposed Fieldstone Farm Development, located off Spook Road
in the Town of Wappinger, Dutchess County, New York,
General Specification
Developer shall. install'„Blue Brute„ "Ring Tite” PVC (Polyvinyl
Chloride) plastic class water pipe with a pressure class gating of
P.C. = 150. Pipe shall have a D.R. ti 18,(thickness of dimension
ratio). All pipe shall be 8 inch, nominal, diameter with an O.D.
(average) of 9.050 inches conforming with the O.D. of Cast Iron.
Minimum wall thickness is 0.503 'inches. Pipe material shall be
fabricated from material of class 12454-A or 12454-B per ASTM#D1784.
Standard Code Designation of pipe shall be PVC 1120. Pipe shall be
20 feet in length per section with no more than 10% of pipe delivered
being 10 feet to 19 feet in length. 90% of the total footage of
Pipe shall be furnished in standard lengths. Bedding for the piping
shall conform to the requirements of Class 13 or C of the ASCE MOP #37
for the bedding of pipe(p. 211 ff.) The piping shall.Pe installed
underground in a manner that will insure that external loads will
not oubsequently cause a decrease of more than 5% in the vertical
cross section dimension(Deflection). Pipe shall havw a minimum
fIctf value (Hazen -Williams) of 150. I.D. (average)of pipe+ 7.98".
Pipe shall meet all requirements of AWWA 0900-75 (or most
current revision). All piping shall be suitable for use as a pressure
conduit for potable water.
2.
Pipe shall be provided with integral bell containing a locked
in ring and ,spigot joints $oj� expansion and .contraction . at ,
each joint with an elastomewric ring. The bell shall consist of
an integral, wall section with a locked -in, solid cross` section.:
elastome-vkic ring which meets the requirem.onts of ASTM F-477 `
The bell section shall be designed to be at least as hydrostatic-
ally strong as the pipe wall and meet the requirements of AWWA C900.
All piping.shall, be tested by the manufacturer.,to fourAimes
the class pressure of:the pipe for a minimum ,of 'five �igei gnds. The
integral bell shall be tested with the pipe.
The pipe stiffness shall be =435 psi (FAY)" for PVC 150/ DR -18..,,:
Random samples of the pipe shall, be tested by,the manufacturer and.
in conformance with ASTM D 1599 shall withstand, without failure' a
pressure of 755 psi at 730F when applied,in 6Q�-7Q seconds(Quick
Burst Test) . The pipe shall withstand, without failure. a,t •7.30F an
impact of a 'falling, missile, Tup C, at the impact of, 100 .#oto/l,bs.
per ASTM D2444. There shall be no visible evidence of shattering
or splitting when the energy is imposed(Drop impact Test.)`