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1995-02-28n Town of Wappinger Zoning Board of Appeals February 22 1995 Public Hearing Agenda - 7:30 P.M. Approval of February 14; 1995 minutes PUBLIC HEAP-,INGS M Town Hall 20 Middlebush Road Wappinger Falls, 1117.7. Ar peal -`1183 -- At the request of Alpine Co. of Poughkeepsie who is sPa'- ing va;- -z;-„ce from Article IV, Section 416.62 where you are requesting s 7^ q. ft. 7ign where 25 sq. ft. is allowed, requireing a 47 sq. ft. Val -?al;. ^e to rl:z.^ in the enterence way of property located on Route 9 ane' ideti.fied as Tax Grid #19-6157-02-707773-00 in the Town of Wappinger. Ap e;xlu1189 - At the request of Alpine Co. of Poughkeepsie who is see'l:ing a variance from Article IV, Section 416.61 where you are requesting - 33 sq. ft. for a total of 396 sq. ft. where you are only allowed 150 sq. ft.; thur requiring a variance of 246 sq. ft. on the west of the building located on Route 9 and identified as Tax Grid #19-6157-02-707771-00 Town of Wappinger. Apapeal x`1191 - At the request of Donald & Debra Silvestri who is seeking a :_lance of Article IV, Section 421.6 in that you are required to m-i.tain ft. on the side -yard and 10 ft. in the rear -yard, you are showing 3.3 ft. in. the side -yard, thus requiring a 6.7 ft. variance on property located at 3 Sabra Lane and is identified as Tax Grid in the Town of Wappinger. ADJ1147r, PUPLIC_ HEARING :`1127 At the request of Joseph P. Paoloni who is seeking a var.�n�e of Article TV, Section 415.41 - Satellite Dishes - Where yoi i'e requesting to install a satellite dish on the roof of your dwelling nr^'-:i'^ ited by the Zoning Law in the Town of Wappinger, thus i equi riga indicated above. The property is located at 3 Heartl _=;tcn Drive; Wappinger Falls, N.Y. and is identified as Tax Grid ce_00997-72-00. Town of Wappinger Zoning Board of Appeals �ruary 28, 1995 Apn:u Members Present Mr. Sasser: Chairman Mr. Lehigh: Member Mr. Prager: Member Mr. Fanuele: Member Others Present Mr. Levenson, Zoning Administrator Mrs. Nguyen, Secretary to the Z.B.A. a Town Hall 20 Mi-ddlebush Road Wappinger Falls, N.Y. MAR 2 81995 PLANNING BOARD 70%min pr- " 1, - R Mr. Sasser: I would like to call this meeting of the Town of Wappinger Zoning Board of Appeals to order. Clerk call the roll please. ROLL CALL: Mr. Fanuele: Here. Mr. Prager: Here. Mr. Lehigh: Here. Mr. Sasser: Here. . Levenson: Mr. Chairman, all present. Mr. Sasser: For the information of those in the public, this is a no smoking building. You may smoke outside, not in the restrooms. There are emergency exits to the side and to the rear. Also, this Board currently has a new member, as you heard Mr. Levenson, approved last night by the Town Board, who is not here tonight. There are four people sitting on the Board, never the less we still need the same number of votes as a full Board in order to approve anything. First item on the agenda tonight is the approval of the February 14th minutes. Mr. Prager: I make a motion that we accept the minutes. Mr. Lehigh: Second. Mr. Sasser: Any discussion? All in favor? Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: I will abstain since I was not here. The first item on for public hearing tonight is Appeal 01188 - At the request of Alpine Co. of Poughkeepsie who is seeking a variance from Article IV, Section 416.62 where you are requesting a 72 sq. ft. sign where 25 sq. ft. is allowed, requiring a 47 sq. ft. variance to place in the enterence way of property located on Route 9 and identified as Tax Grid #19-6157-02-707773-00 in the kWoan of Wappinger. Do we have proof of publication? Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 1 Mr. Levenson: Mr. Chairman, I have proof of publication on Appeal ##1188 and $#1189. I have all the cards back and I have a paid bill from the newspaper and I have an affidavit of mailing from Mr. Kellogg. Mr. Sasser: Herb, will you refresh my memory, did we do SEQR determination on this? Mr. Levenson: No, We did not. Mr. Sasser: If I recall correctly Mr. Lehigh, you had a concern about the SEQR determination at that point. Do you still have a concern about it or should we move forward? Mr. Lehigh: No, I don't have a real concern about it, but it is sign pollution. Mr. Sasser: All right, I will go ahead and make a motion that we declare a Negative Dec. on this. I don't believe there is any environmental impacts. Mr. Prager: Second. �Awte: All ayes, Mr. Fanuele abstained. Mr. Fanuele: I will abstain. I would like to see his pitch before I vote on whether there is a SEQR impact or not. I don't really understand just from reading. I would like to ask questions before we make that determination. Mr. Sasser: We have a motion on the floor and we have an abstention and two ayes. Mr. Lehigh: I will abstain also. Mr. Sasser: O.K., that will not pass so we will put that aside until afterwards and then we will come back to that. Mr. Lehigh: I make a motion that we open the public hearing. Mr. Fanuele: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: For the record I don't know if everyone is aware of it or not, including you Mr. Kellogg. There was a letter received on February 24th by the Zoning Administrator from a Mrs. Elsie L. Lewis, residing at r Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 2 160 Academy Street No. 5 K, Poughkeepsie, New York 12601. I will read that letter for the information of the public that is here tonight and yourself and it will be made part of the minutes as well. "Dear Mr. Sasser and Zoning Board of Appeals: I today received notice of the meeting to be held on February 28, 1995 at 7:30 P.M. at the Town Hall to consider a variance request by the Alpine Co. from Article IV, Section 416.62 to permit a 72 sq. ft. sign and 25 sq. ft. is allowed, requiring a 47 sq. ft. variance to be placed at the enterence way of property located on Route 9 and identified as Tax Grid ##19-6157-02-707773-00 in the Town of Wappinger. It is impossible for me to attend the meeting, but I wish to inform the Board of Appeals that I do not approve of such a variance being granted because such a large sign will detract from the natural beauty and contour of the land. Respectfully yours, Elsie L. Lewis, adjoining property owner." Herb, can you identify that piece of property for us? Do you know? Obviously, she received one of the certified notices. Mr. Kellogg: It is on Losee Road. It is a vacant piece of land on Losee Road. Mr. Sasser: You know who this woman is? Mr. Kellogg: Yes. %W. Sasser: Losee Road is across Route 9. Mr. Kellogg: (Pointing to a map.) Look closely back over here. Mr. Sasser: Behind. Is that where all the discussion of the berm was back when it was being developed? Mr. Levenson: No, when you go to the back of B.J.'s and there is a fence. The next street over is Losee. Mr. Kellogg: Keep on going another 2,000 feet. Mr. Levenson: 2,000 feet that is Losee Road. Mr. Sasser: Is this piece of property visible from or .....? Mr. Kellogg: No, it is vacant. Nobody lives there. Mr. Sasser: It is a vacant piece of property? Mr. Kellogg: A vacant piece of land. Mr. Sasser: You want to proceed Mr. Kellogg? Mr. Kellogg: Tonight we are asking for a variance on the pylon sign that located here at the enterence way. On your map and shown here, there a black oblong designation that represents the existing pylon sign that is 10 ft. high and 12 ft. wide that is identified as B.J.'s and Stop & Shop. What we are requesting is to relocate that sign so that instead of being 55 ft. at the edge of the curb island that we have, which is already over 70 ft. from the driveway, we are going down to about 30 ft. from the P Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 3 driveway or 22 ft. back from the edge of the curb island. The reason that we are requesting this is that our number one customer complaint is B.J.'s and Stop & Shop customers as well as people that speak directly to Alpine, is that they can't see the shopping center. The shopping center is not identified. We don't have any identification for Alpine Commons. When we tell people where Alpine Commons is they just don't know where exactly you are talking about. Also, what has happened is because of a great deal of vegetation as you are driving up and down Route 9, you can't see the sign until you are right on top of it. If you are driving north bound, starting from Rent All, there is a large land form that is to the south, then the Gray and Railing building and then there is all this vegetation that is D.O.T. property, which we can not touch, obviously. So, you ipretty much have to be about 4/5ths of the way through the right hand turn only lane before you see if there is any identifications for the pylon sign. The site line is somewhat like that. Driving south bound there is the vegetation that is in the D.E.C. wetland. We have about 48 acres of land that we are unable to use because it is a New York State wetland. There is also a couple of power poles so, it is very difficult to see the sign driving south bound as well. Regardless of the speed marking people are driving 55 and 60 miles per hour. They really have to get past this tree line and look sharp right to see the sign and usually what happens is they are already committed in another lane. The same thing with the south. 'und. You have got two left hand turn lanes and three through lanes. B they have really missed their opportunity and have passed it. Because of that, because of all the competition on Route 9 it has really put these two stores and the whole shopping center at a disadvantage to some of the other retail that is already on Route 9 and will be coming to Route 9 as well. The grocery store business right now is extremely competitive. The wholesale business, B.J.'s was the first, but now there is Wal-Mart and Sam's and Home Depot and a number of other category killers that we are referring to or big box users that are here and they are coming to Route 9. We all rely heavily on their success for tax dollars. They have taken surveys and they find that their customers, even their loyal customers, sometimes that have been there a number of times sometimes drive past the site. There are no shopping centers on Route 9 that do not have identifications on who is in the shopping center and it is clearly visible. The retail building is anywhere from 290 £t. to 360 ft. back. from the road. There is a 25 ft. grade change elevation. The entire shopping center sits up on a plateau. You can't see Stop & Shop and B.J.'s, which goes to the next application as well, from the road. So, we are relying heavily on this pylon sign. Stop & Shops closest corner is 50o ft. and B.J.'s store front is 1100 ft. from the road. The pylon sign is extremely critical there. What we are looking at is raising the sign from a total height of 10 ft. to a total height of 16 ft.. The width will remain at 12 ft.. The B.J.'s and Stop & Shop will be oriented the same way and we would like to put a two foot ban across the top that says Alpine Commons. It will be the same architecture, white panels with the colord back lit florescent tubes. The same will curve up ....... it will obably be a blue sign on a white background. That is really about it S001'r the pylon sign. It does seem to be consistent with., you know Waldbaums Plaza and some of the others. I know there are not a lot of shopping places in the Town of Wappinger, but heading down Route 9 and. the commercial corridor. I think signage is extremely critical and it will r 0 M Wappinger Zoning Board. i� Minutes - February 28, 1995 4w Page 4 become more critical. Mr. Sasser: Mr. Kellogg, I have two questions if I might ask. The signs first of all, the B.J.'s portion and the Super Stop & Shop portion, the square footage of those two signs will be remaining as the existing sign? Mr. Kellogg: That is right. Mr. Sasser: You are adding the 2 ft. Alpine Commons sign at the top and raising the sign by 4 ft.? Mr. Kellogg: That is right. Mr. Sasser: All right I understand that correctly and the second question is, is the brush that is in front of the plaza now between Route 9 and that elevation, is that D.O.T. property? Mr. Kellogg: Well, with the large detention basin right there? Mr. Sasser: Yes. Mr. Kellogg: (Looking at the map.) The Gray & Railing building sits down r -re. All of these trees that I have clouded in, that is all D.O.T. %woperty. Mr. Lehigh: You don't pay taxes on that at all? That is owned by New York State? Mr. Kellogg: No, it is owned by D.O.T.. Mr. Prager: Have you at all, or at any time, asked D.O.T. if they would cut those trees so that you could see better? Mr. Kellogg: No, we haven't asked. �Mr. Fanuele: I guess the question would be, can they be cut? It would dress up the whole area if they can be cut and with some trade off. You know, if you cut some down you can plant some others. Mr. Kellogg: The problem is that there is a steep slope that goes right down to those trees so there is really not a heck of a lot you can do for additional planting. They would be on the side of a pretty good slope. Mr. Lehigh: Well, you could plant bushes there rather then trees. Mr. Kellogg: We could plant bushes, but these are very mature. Mr. Lehigh: I know, I stopped and looked at them. I went out and looked them. There is also a load of garbage down in that property, tires. Mr. Kellogg: Down in the right of way there? Mr. Lehigh: Yes. Mr. Sasser: n Again, that is D.O.T. property. F] Wappinger. Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 5 Mr. Prager: It would be nice to see if you could at least investigate if you could cut some of those trees down. The other question that I have is, you had mentioned that a number of your customers have complained that they have missed the sign. Have you done an actual study on it? Do you have a certain number? Do you have any documentation to basically back that up? Mr. Kellogg: Stop & Shop will give us a statement that it is their number one complaint as well as B.J.'s. Mr. Prager: How many customers? Mr. Kellogg: i don't know exactly the numbers, but it is their number one complaint. I mean these typical surveys aren't thousands of people, but they are in the hundreds. It gives you a good, fair representation. Mr. Prager: So, you would say there are hundreds of people complaining then? Kellogg: I don't know exactly. I know that they surveyed hundreds of ople and that was the number one issue. Mr. Lehigh: I have another question for you. Your Alpine Commons sign that you want for the top of that ...? Mr. Kellogg: Yes. Mr. Lehigh: Do you maintain an office in there? Mr. Kellogg: No, we don't. Mr. Lehigh: What is the sense of having a sign? Mr. Kellogg: Because the name of the shopping center is Alpine Commons. It is not stop & Shop Shopping Center, it is not B.J.'s Shopping Center. Mr. Sasser: It is the same as South Hill's Mall or Poughkeepsie Galleria. Mr. Lehigh: I could understand that if there was a great number of stores, but there is only two. Mr. Kellogg: Well, then there is the 38,000 ft. vacancy there, which is part of the problem with marketing that existing vacancy is that there is no good exposure to Route 9. That has been our principle problem since day one. . Lehigh: I stopped and looked that over carefully. Even if you move that pylon closer down to the road and you allow the trees and the brush to grow where they are, it won't make any difference whatsoever by moving that sign because it is going to grow up and cover the sign that is _ Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page_. 6 your line of vision to it. That brush that is in that right of way, whether it belongs to D.O.T. or whoever, that has to be cleaned out of there or you are never going to see it no matter what kind of a sign you put in there. Mr. Kellogg: We can speak to the D.O.T. about cleaning out whatever brush there might be on the shoulder of the road. Mr. Lehigh: I am talking particularly those trees. Mr. Kellogg: These are big mature trees. Mr. Lehigh: I looked at them. They are not what I consider mature trees. They are about maybe 4 to 6 inches around and I could go in there in a half an hour with a chain saw and take everyone of them down myself... So, there is no real problem there, and if that area is not maintained, if it is not mowed, if it is not trimmed out, in six months those trees would be right back again. You have to mow the grass and maintain it or you are not going to have a clear vision up through there. Mr. Kellogg: Well, if it meant us maintaining this area around the D.O.T. trees as a result of relocating the sign, then we would take that L sponsibility. Mr. Sasser: Would D.O.T. allow you to do it? Mr. Kellogg: I think anything the D.O.T. could do to lower their expenses and work load. It is our frontage. Mr. Prager: I think if you did that you probably wouldn't even need the sign. Mr. Lehigh: That is right. Mr. Kellogg I don't think so. Just by doing that, it is not like we can clear out, these are tree's that are 30 or 35 ft. high. I can't think of a place where I have worked with D.O.T. before where we just cut down trees if it didn't have some traffic improvement that .. Mr. Prager: I would like to see that investigated. Mr. Lehigh: Definitely, because you are going to be back in here and want to move it out in the middle of Route 9 the next thing because those trees are going to grow up again. It is going to be an on going problem. It is not something you are going to solve by moving that sign down there. The way those trees are growing it is still going to cut that line of sight down and the more you let them go, the more you are going to cut down. Kellogg: D.O.T. doesn't look highly upon going into their right of y and just cutting trees down. I will ask the question. I think if it is properly maintained that moving the sign closer will be the answer because your vision is opened up all the way down to the Gray and Railing building by doing this. Wappinger. Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page_ 7 Mr. Sasser: I tend to agree with Mr. Kellogg. I believe that raising that sign and especially they are not increasing the size of it. I think you do need to identify the plaza. I bet if you asked most of the people in the Town of Wappinger where Alpine Commons was, they wouldn't know where it is. They know where B.J.'s is and where Stop & Shop is, but they are going to be other stores in there as well at some point and time. T think it is reasonible to put the name of the shopping center up. I think raising that sign 4 ft., it is hard to see. You can't see that plaza from Route 9 at all. I can imagine, we are competing with the Town of Fishkill. for business. I think if there is anything that we can do to make it more attractive in the Town of Wappinger, and they are a big tax base, I think we should do it. I would like to open this up right now to the public.. Mr. Levenson: That is a double faced sign? Mr. Kellogg: Yes. Mr. Levenson: And it is not illuminated? Mr. Kellogg: It is illuminated. -- Sasser: Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on is matter? Let the record show that there was nobody here. Does the Board have any further comments or questions? Mr. Fanuele: I agree with you, it needs to be looked at from as far as from the road, but I am not ready to act on this until we get something from the D.O.T. about cleaning that out. Mr. Sasser: Well, Mr. Kellogg I think you might be getting an idea of where the Board is coming from. At this point and time perhaps it might be your choice to choose to go back to the D.O.T. and see what their response is instead of having us vote on this. I certainly am not object to adjoining the public hearing to allow him to give us some more information from D.O.T.. Mr. Lehigh: I would like to see something in writing brought back to us from the D.O.T. so we know their exact position on what they are going to do. I know the D.O.T. takes trees down all the time to clear the road and so forth. That is going to be a problem there. Those trees are close enough to the road where they will effect the road in a period of time. T think that they will need to be taken down. I think that area in there is going to become an eye sore from shopping carts and all the debris that people pull in to that one parking area and evidently get out of their car and throw everything down the bank. There is quite a mess down there. T would imagine that if Alpine Commons decides to take care of it and keep it clean, the D.O.T. would probably allow you to take the trees down. I ink if you need a letter from the Town requesting it, we might be able do something like that. Couldn't we Herb? Mr. Sasser: Are you requesting an adjournment of the public hearing or do you want us to procede tonight with the vote? Wappinger. Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 8 Mr. Kellogg: No, I would like an adjourned public hearing. I would like a letter from the Town, supporting my request for the D.O.T.. Mr. Lehigh: Can we do something like that Herb? Mr. Levenson: I will call Mr. Faucher. Mr. Sasser: I don't have a problem with that. Mr. Levenson: I will call Mr. Faucher tomorrow. Mr. Sasser: From the Zoning Board, not from the Town. Mr. Lehigh: Well, there is no cost to the Town. Alpine will clean it out and take care of it. Mr. Levenson: I know Don Faucher personally. I will call him on the phone tomorrow. I would suggest 4 weeks because it will take us that long to get the dialogue going to get an answer. Mr. Kellogg: March 14th is the next meeting? . Sasser: Well, March 28th. Herb has suggested 4 weeks. Mr. Kellogg: That is a lot better. Mr. Sasser: March 28th? Mr. Kellogg: Yes. Mr. Sasser: We will adjourn this until March 28th. The next item on the agenda tonight is Appeal #1189 at the request of Alpine Co. of Poughkeepsie who is seeking a variance from Article IV, Section 416.61 where you are requesting 4 - 33 sq. ft. for a total of 396 sq. ft. where you are only allowed 150 sq. ft., thus requiring a variance of 246 sq. ft. on the west of the building located on Route 9 and identified as Tax Grid #19-6157-02-707773-00 in the Town of Wappinger. Mr. Levenson: To the benefit of the Board, the west side is the side of the building facing Route 9. Mr. Sasser: Has there been proof of publication? Mr. Levenson: Yes, in both cases. Mr. Sasser: We have not made a determination with regard to SEQR on this asr well? PfY� . Levenson: No. Mr. Sasser: Does the Board also wish to wait on this one? 0 Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 9 Board: Yes. Mr. Sasser: Can I have a motion to open the public hearing? Mr. Prager: I make a motion that we open the public hearing. Mr. Fanuele: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Kellogg: The second application is for the , I think this is really for just two signs. Mr. Levenson: Yes, we deleted the .. Mr. Kellogg: We deleted the other two signs. Mr. Levenson: Right. Mr. Kellogg: So, we are showing 4 signs on the application. Mr. Sasser: But, it is really going to be two signs. C. Kellogg: It is really just the two because we are not going to consider any signage for the retail building. Mr. Sasser: So, the center is gone and the far right. Mr. Kellogg: Retail tenant A and retail tenant B. Mr. Sasser: Wasn't the other signs on a different application? Mr. Levenson: They were withdrawn. Mr. Sasser: So, we are only talking about the two now on the right side? Mr. Kellogg: Right. Mr. Lehigh: Then the square footage is the same? Mr. Sasser: Yes, I mean we are going down so we don't think we have to renotice this as far as the public goes. Mr. Levenson: No. Mr. Sasser: You are making it less of a variance, not more of a variance. Mr. Prager: Wouldn't it be half? . Kellogg: Yes. What we are requesting now is really for all of the same reasons that we stated in the previous application. It really has to do with customer response and the competitive nature of Route 9. We are requesting a sign to be located on the west side of the retail building. Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 10 3 ft. by 33 ft. for Super Stop & Shop and 3 ft. by 33 ft. for B.J.'s Wholesale. That signage is located right at the north west corner of the retail building facing Route 9. It is about 360 ft. back from Route 9. About 25 ft. higher then Route 9. Again, the principle reason is that Stop & Shop and B.J.'s building and store front signage is not visible from Route 9. Their buildings are `not visible driving north bound or south bound. Again, the only identification that they have is the pylon sign that we are requesting to move forward. These signs will be identical to the main sign that is on the building now and also the main sign on the B.J.'s Wholesale Club building. They are individual block letters. All internally illuminated. We feel it will give us good exposure to Route 9. Again, address our customers and the competitive nature. The building is about 18 ft. high. These signs, the higher one will be approximately 2 ft. from the roof line and the B.J.'s sign will be one ft. lower then the Super Stop & Shop sign. Mr. Sasser: Mr. Kellogg, is that a finished surface on that west side exposure of the elevation now? Mr. Kellogg: Yes, the west side and the north side, which is the side that faces the wetland are both finished with a dried up material, EIFS terial. It will pretty much stay the same until we get a tenant in �Akere and we will have them make some modifications to the back for the loading facilities. Mr. Sasser: But, the west side that we are talking about will remain the same? I mean it is not going to be setback with a walkway and windows? Mr. Kellogg: No, that will stay just like that. Mr. Levenson: The only change that will happen on the west side is if you get a tenant, you are going to want to put a sign up. Mr. Kellogg: Right, the reason I wanted to show retail tenant A and B just to show you the big picture on where the signage might be for those retail tenants. Mr. Fanuele: ..... the combination between this one and the last appeal, the last one you had an eye sore in the front. it would be nice if you clean it up and make the place attractive. On this one you have an eye sore with that big white building there. Something should be done to enhance the visual aspect of that side with maybe integrating the sign into the total enhancement, which would then enhance the total picture coming up to your shopping center. Mr. Kellogg: Well, I think that the signs will serve to, especially once we get the retail tenant A and tenant B, will serve to break up that 290 . long white building. Mr. Fanuele: I would like to see a total redone of that thing with the signs integrated. Mr. Lehigh: You are talking about some shrubbery and so forth in there? Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 11 Mr. Fanuele: Well, you could put something on besides a big white building, like the stuff you have in the front of the building where you finished it off with either split brick or some other stuff because that is the part that everybody sees and it looks the worst. 'Mr. Kellogg: You mean the front of the Stop & Shop building? Mr. Sasser: I tend to agree with, even though I feel that is an issue that really is the Planning Board's responsibility and not ours. I happen to agree. The reason I asked the question whether it was a finished surface or not is because I quite frankly thought it was plywood that had been nailed up temporarily and painted white. Mr. Kellogg: The front is. Mr. Sasser: The west side is what I thought had been done that way as well. Again, I don't think it is our purpose to tell you what to do and what not to do visually there, but I happen to agree with Mr. Fanuele. Mr. Kellogg: I agree also that it is just a big huge white wall and what .'ght make some sense is something like B.J.'s, which has an accent %otripe. So, it might be some accent colors or ... I am not an architect so I don't really know. Nr. Lehigh: I don't see anything in the request here about lighting either for the variance. Now, you are saying you want that sign lighted? Mr. Kellogg: Yes, they are all individually illuminated block letters. Mr. Lehigh: I don't see anything in here that says anything about lighting in the request. Mr. Kellogg: I believe we stated that in the application. Mr. Lehigh: I will read it again, but I don't see it. Mr. Sasser: Herb, does 416.61 whether it is internally lit or lit from the outside ...? Mr. Levenson: It is allowable. Mr. Sasser: It is allowable so it doesn't have to be in the application. Mr. Levenson: It is an allowable criteria. Mr. Sasser: I do agree with Mr. Kellogg as well, that when you pull tip to at plaza you see that big white face and I certainly think as far as I pol concerned reasonable to put those two signs up. I don't have any problem with it. Mr. Kellogg: We are willing to entertain anything that you like with the Planning Board. It is difficult to do that now because we don't have a specific tenant and that specific tenant or tenants, there will probably Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 2.8, 1995 Page 12 be one or two tenants to occupy that 38,000 ft. building, will have their own architect that will do a presentation for the Planning Board and that will be the time to address it. Mr. Lehigh: The only thing that bothers me is the next thing you are going to do is your going to come back when you get the other two tenants in and you are going to want them on the pylon out front also and you are going to want to increase the size of it and everything else. I would really like to see you start with the pylon out front and get the brush cleaned out and see what it looks like. Then, we can make a determination whether you need additional signage or not. Bear in mind that you came before us before and we practically doubled the signage that you have there now. I don't know. I just don't have a good feeling for it. Mr. Sasser: Personally, I don't have any problem with this. I don't think the pylon application and this application has anything to do with each other. I think that they serve two separate purposes. When you turn into the plaza and extend up that slight grade you come to a building that really doesn't tell you where anything is. Mr. Lehigh: When you look at that building you are going to see that out Route 9 when you are coming from the north proceeding south and it is ing to stick right out there. Mr. Sasser: I don't think you will see it until you are almost opposite the driveway. Mr. Fanuele: In my opinion, the reason you don't have any customers is because you have a building there that looks like it is not finished and it is not open. Mr. Lehigh: If that is the case, then if the people are already pulling in there they don't need a sign to tell them where they are at. Another sign to tell them they are there. T think that is ridiculous. Mr. Kellogg: I think that is totally contrary to what our customers are telling us that go there and the people that don't go there because they drive by it. A number of people make comments all the time, where is Alpine Commons? It is not identified. It severely affects the marketability of that retail space and therefore how we present that retail space without the proper signage out front. Mr. Sasser: This particular hearing we are only referring to those particular signs on the building, not to the pylon sign out front. T don't think they should be tied together because they are two separate applications. Lets just limit what we are discussing now to these on the building. Frr. Fanuele: I believe that if you split everything down small enough you could vote yes on everything and get the most ugliest thing in the world. Here is something that the signs are serving the same shopping center and in my mind I am looking at it together. You can break things down so small and say there is no problem, but when you put them together they don't fit. Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 13 Mr. Sasser: Well, these particular signs you don't really see them until you are entering the plaza really. When you get up there, I mean it is like turning into, lets just take the South Hills Mall when you turn in, most of the major anchors are there, if not all. Some of the bigger stores all have signs on the outside of the building. It directs traffic which way to go. It tells them what stores are there. Mr. Prager: On the front of the buildings. Mr. Sasser: This is the front of the building. When you drive into the plaza it is right there in front of you. Mr. Fanuele: It is the front of the building and it is the ugliest thing. To me the shopping center is not finished. Why go up there, nothing is finished. Fix that up similar to the way the front of the shopping center is with B.J.'s and the other place where you have got some design and integrate the signs into it. Then, you are starting to see something that is going to attract customers, attract people. Mr. Kellogg: Before we can finish the front of the building we need to tract a tenant. Mr. Fanuele: Nobody is going to be on that side. When you rent this building they are going to come up and enter it through the parking lot. Mr. Kellogg: Right. Mr. Fanuele: This is going to remain the same whether you have a tenant there or not. Mr. Lehigh: I think what Vic is trying to say is it looks professional if the building is finished off. Mr. Fanuele: The side that faces Route 9 is unfinished. Mr. Kellogg: Whatever tenant is in the building will have signage on that side of the building. Mr. Fanuele: I have no problem with the sign. If you were to come back and show us an integrated plan, how you are going to finish that ugly part of the building .. Mr. Sasser: It is finished. That is what he said. Mr. Kellogg: That is finished. . Fanuele: In my mind that is not finished. Mr. Kellogg: That is really up to the Planning Board. The Planning Board approved that plan. I will show you the Planning Board's Town proof plan is right here. That is in the record. (Showing a diagram.) That is what they approved. El n Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 14 Mr. Sasser: The Planning Board approved it. We have to accept that. Mr. Kellogg: I would be happy to go back to them, but that is what they approved. We have nothing to go back with because we don't have a tenant. Mr. Sasser: I don't really think that is really our place to tell them to go back to the Planning Board to do it. Again, I agree with what you are saying. It is not very attractive. Yet that is not our function. The fact is that he has something before us that was approved by the Planning Board and now he is asking to be able to put a sign up. Mr. Fanuele: He says that he is not up to do that, but putting an extra sign makes it even look worse than what it is. You have got a very bad visual affect which will need an impact statement. Mr. Sasser: o.k, that is valid what you are saying now. Mr. Fanuele: This is what I am trying to say. We want to finish it so it looks nice. So, when you finish it, you drive by and you see something that is done. You see four signs integrated into the architect and there ­sll be no problem. People will come up to see you, but to see a white %ingilding there that looks like it is unfinished. That is the problem of why you are not getting customers, plus it's visually unattractive. Mr. Kellogg: That is not what our customers and our prospective tenants are telling us. Mr. Sasser: Is there anyone herein the public who would like to speak with regard to this matter? Please stand up and give us your name for the record. Mr. Brenner: My name is Peter Brenner. Mr. Sasser: Your address sir? Mr. Brenner: 118 West Main, Wappinger Falls. Mr. Sasser: You own property contiguous to this? Mr. Brenner: No, I don't. Mr. Sasser: Go ahead. Mr. Brenner: I am just curious. We have a finished building and the Planning Board, the facade has already been accepted? Sasser: Correct. Mr. Brenner: The existing facade that the building has. Now he wants to put a sign on the facade that you are saying that the facade isn't finished yet? Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 15 Mr. Sasser: No, that is not what we are saying. Mr. Fanuele: It looks .like it is not finished. Mr. Sasser: There has been some opinion that certain members of this Board did not feel it was very attractive. Mr. Lehigh: I don't think there is any facade on it. The facade is on the front of the building or will be. Mr. Brenner: You can't see it from Route 9 that I know. Mr. Sasser: Yes, you can. Mr. Levenson: You sure can. You can see it in the dark. Mr. Brenner: It is that large front building that you drive .. Mr. Levenson: It is that large front building with the white face. Go by it in the dark and it stands out like it is there. Sasser: Is there anybody else who would like to speak? I would like also introduce the letter that I previously read from Mrs. Elsie L. Lewis. I am not going to read it again. The objection was for this as well so we will incorporate this same letter into .. Mr. Levenson: It is part of the record in both files. Mr. Sasser: Does the Board have any further questions? I am just a little bit vague. I know that some of us have some different opinions on the visual appearance of the building. Whether they feel the signs would make it less attractive, which is certainly something that we are going to be considering. I would just like to say that I don't really have any problem with these two signs at all. I feel that they are necessary. I think that perhaps we should be a little clearer to Mr. Kellogg of what direction we are going at this point and time or if it is we want him to come back with something else or are we going to proceed with this tonight? Mr. Levenson: I think that you ought to get some written response to the survey that was done and produce it for the Board. Mr. Kellogg: Yes. Mr. Levenson: In both cases so that the Board can use that as an evaluation. gPrager: I was just going to ask that myself because I think that is oing to be important. The other thing that I have and we are talking about looks -here again, you have your two signs that we are talking about on the left hand side. Now, later on if you do get tenants, you expect to put the other two signs where they are on that map or you think you would put them all in one row or would it be better to spread those two signs over horizontally instead of diagonally? M Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 1.6 Mr. Kellogg: I think that the tenant that occupies the majority of the vacant retail space will want a sign that is in the center of their building. It is 38,000 ft.. If there is one at 30,000 ft. they are going to want one ...... The one at 8,000 ft. would want the secondary location. Mr. Lehigh: They will also want to be on the pylon on the front. Mr. Sasser: Mr. Kellogg, it is not my place either to tell you that you should have someone come in and do a design on that large blank wall or somehow incorporate the colors into the signs, but I would think that if we are talking about the visual impact that these signs are going to have on the building and you could somehow at this point and time do something that would make it a little more attractive. I mean that I am getting the gist from the Board, even though I realize you don't have tenants there yet, you could somehow tie that in together with some kind of, I think you had mentioned yourself stripes or someone else had mentioned a stripe or something across there. It looks like you are coming up to a drive-in theater when you pull up there. Kellogg: I agree with those comments. Mr. Sasser: I would certainly feel a little more favorable about it. Mr. Kellogg: We're reluctant to do something unless we know who the tenant is, but I am willing to do that. Mr. Sasser: Even tying in, taking the colors that you are using in those signs and tying it in to some kind of geometric shape or design or. stripe. It doesn't identify any tenant or anything. It just somehow breaks up that vast white wall you have there and it would make those signs more attractive instead of having just those two signs on that huge white wall. Mr. Kellogg: Would you want me to come up with something and present it to the Planning Board and get their recommendation and then come back to you? Mr. Sasser: I don't think that you need to. It is really not our place to even tell you to do this and I don't want to tell you that except that I think as far as me considering the sign I am looking at, I am trying to word this carefully because I can't tell you to go and do this. I am considering how these signs are going to affect the characteristics of the neighborhood. I want to see you do whatever you can do to make it blend in and make it look a little nicer. I just think if you go back to the Planning Board you are opening up for a lot more things then you have to through. Mr. Kellogg: As long as that is o.k. with the Town if I introduced colors along this building, is the Planning Board going to come and say you didn't get architectural review for it? n Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 17 Mr. Sasser: Herb, can you give us some direction? Mr. Levenson: In view of the position that the Planning Board has is that they also act as the Architectural Review Board. They do act as the Architectural Review Board. Mr. Sasser: I would like to have the Planning Board's opinions on this. A recommendation from the Planning Board. Mr. Kellogg: That is fine because that is what we did the last time for Stop & Shop and B.J.'s. Mr. Levenson: Yes, we did. Mr. Lehigh: It is really neither here nor there, but I think it was two weeks ago the Poughkeepsie Journal blasted all the Planning Board's and Zoning Board's for the excess signs on Route 9. Maybe 500 ft. from where your building is they took a picture of the gas station and Home Depot signs and all those signs and told us what poor planners wp were for having the amount of signs that we have. Levenson: That is the Village, Mr. Lehigh. Mr. Lehigh: Not all of it was the Village. Regardless of that, I still say that Route 9 is beginning to look like a junkyard. Mr. Levenson: From the comments that I heard from people that ride through the Town, my wife is one of the people, she said when she rides from Fishkill to Poughkeepsie, the Town of Wappinger is the neatest Town with regard to signage. Mr. Sasser: We are getting on to subjects that really don't pertain to this. I would like to adjourn this to March 28th. The same time as the other hearing. Is that acceptable Mr. Kellogg? Mr. Kellogg: Yes. Mr. Sasser: Thanks very much. We will see you March 28th. Mr. Fanuele: If you get something setup with the Planning Board, would you let us know so we could drop by and watch the presentation? Mr. Kellogg: O.k.. Mr. Sasser: Appeal #1191 - At the request of Donald and Debra Silvestri who Is seeking a variance of Article IV, Section 421.6 in that you are required to maintain 10 ft. on the side -yard and 10 ft. on the rear -yard, d you are showing 3.3 ft. in the side -yard, thus requiring a 6.7 ft. riance on property located at 3 Sabra Lane and is identified as Tax Grid ##19-6259-04-967025-00 in the Town of Wappinger. Mr. Levenson: You have a survey dated .. Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 18 Mr. Sasser: Has there been proof of publication? Mr. Levenson: Yes, I'm sorry. Proof of publication, they have a receipted bill from the newspaper. Mr. Sasser: Was there a SEQR determination made at the last meeting? Mr. Levenson: No. Mr. Lehigh: No. Mr. Sasser: Let's do that now. I think we can do that on this. Mr. Lehigh: I make a motion that we have a Negative Dec. Mr. Prager: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: Is Mr. Silvestri here? Levenson: Yes, he is right here. Mr. Sasser: Mr. Silvestri, I was not here due to a personal emergency at the workshop hearing. However, I think I am very familiar with what you are looking for. I would like to ask you, would you prefer that I step aside tonight or ..? Mr. Silvestri: No. Mr. Sasser: O.k., fine. Mr. Levenson: Gentlemen, you received a survey dated April 23, 1987 where it indicates the shed on the right hand side at 3.3 ft. from the lot line, requiring 6.7 ft. variance. This shed is preferred not to be moved. Mr. Sasser: Mr. Silvestri, this is an existing shed? Mr. Levenson: Yes. Mr. Sasser: And you are refinancing? Mr. Silvestri: I did, yes. Mr. Sasser: They picked it up when you were doing the survey and now you need a variance? Silvestri: Right, the shed was existing when I bought the house in S0985. I didn't have any idea that it was against any kind of Zoning Laws or anything so it was a shock to me when they brought it up. Mr. Sasser: It wasn't picked up during that survey? i Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 �+ Page 19 Mr. Silvestri: No, it was not. Mr. Sasser: Is it a metal shed or a wooden shed? Mr. Levenson: Wooden. Mr. Sasser: You prefer not to move it because it is difficult to move or? Mr. Silvestri: The previous owner had a cement foundation .. Mr. Sasser: So, it is sitting on a slab? Mr. Silvestri: It is sitting on a slab. It is not anchored. It is just sitting on a slab. Mr. Prager: is it metal? Did you say? Mr. Silvestri: It is wood. Mr. Sasser: It has been there before 85? N. Levenson: It was before 87. Mr. Prager: What is the size of it? Mr. Silvestri: It is 10 by 13. Mr. Sasser: You use it to store the lawn mower ..? Mr. Silvestri: Yes, my neighbor on the right side is the neighbor in question that it is close to their property. I don't know him that well, but I did talk to him tonight as a matter of fact. I called him and he had no problem with it. Mr. Sasser: Let's move to that portion right now. Is there anybody here in the public who would like to speak with regard to this matter? Let the record show there was nobody here for that. Does the Board have any further questions? Mr. Fanuele: Is there a fence between the two properties? Mr. Silvestri: No, there is not. There are shrubs that separates mine and his and it ends right around the shed area. Mr. Fanuele: Does the shrubs go past the shed or not? Mr. Silvestri: No. �w. Lehigh: Herb, with a concrete foundation, is that going to be Called a structure rather then a shed? Mr. Levenson: It is a structure. A fence is a structure too. Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28; 1995 Page 20 Mr. Sasser: Have you ever had any record of complaints regarding this? Mr. Levenson: No. Mr. Sasser: I don't think there is any problem with it at all. It has been there for ten years. It's generated no complaints. We have nobody in the public who is complaining about it. Mr. Fanuele: I would basically like to see you extend the shrubbery up to the and of the shed. Mr. Silvestri: I do plan on doing that. Mr. Fanuele: Give the blockage. Mr. Silvestri: If I was to extend the shrubs behind the shed I have 3 feet to work with. I can do it. I had thought of it. Mr. Levenson: You want the shrubbery to extend to the ends of the shed? Mr. Fanuele: To the end of the shed. This way over the years it will .ind of block it. Mr. Sasser: So, your motion is to approve it with regard to the additional shrubbery? Mr. Fanuele: Yes. Mr. Prager: I will make a motion to close the public hearing. Mr. Lehigh: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: We have a motion on the floor from Mr. Fanuele. Can I have a second please? Mr. Prager: Second. Mr. Sasser: Can we have a roll call vote? Mr. Levenson: This is to grant? Mr. Sasser: To grant with the condition .. Mr. Levenson: By the way, the recommendation by Mr. Fanuele be incorporated in the resolution. LL CALL: Mr. Fanuele: Aye. Mr. Prager: Aye. Mr. Lehigh: Aye. Mr. Sasser: Aye. Mr. Levenson: Unanimous to grant subject to the recommendation by Mr. Fanuele. Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 2.1 Mr. Sasser: Thank you. That will be filed with the Town Clerk within five days and will be a matter of public record then. The next item on the agenda tonight is an adjourned public hearing. Appeal #1187 - At the request of Joseph P. Paoloni who is seeking a variance of Article IV, Section 415.41 - Satellite Dishes - Where you are requesting to install. a satellite dish on the roof of your dwelling which is prohibited by the Zoning Law in the Town of Wappinger, thus requiring a variance as indicated above. The property is located at 3 Hearthstone Drive, Wappinger Falls, New York and is identified as Tax Grid #19-6258-01-099578-00. Has there been proof of publication? Mr. Levenson: There has been proof:of publication and we have a receipted bill from the newspaper. Mr. Lehigh: I make a motion that we open the adjourned ... Mr. Sasser: Yes, but I want to make sure, did we do, this was at the Last meeting, was there SEQR determination? Mr. Levenson: No. . Lehigh: No. Mr. Sasser: This is a satellite dish. I think we are safe. I mean I feel we are safe in doing a SEQR and a Negative Dec.. Somebody want to make a motion? Mr. Lehigh: So moved. Mr. Fanuele: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: Motion to open the public hearing? Mr. Prager: So moved. Mr. Lehigh: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr..Sasser: Is Mr. Paoloni here? Mr. Levenson: At the request of the Board at the work session, they requested that Mr. Paoloni get some documentation from an installer or someone who has the where with all with regard to installation of these �rtellite dishes. You have in your file a copy of a bill from the Hugh's RrV. & communications, where they have made a statement as to the best place in which to place it would be on the roof. I have a series of photographs which I wish to circulate to the Board that was incorporated with that ... Wappinger Zoning Board ,r Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 22 Mr. Prager: Maybe you can enlighten me a little. What do they do to test for those satellites? Mr. Paoloni: That is the last place that I would want to put it obviously is on the roof. The satellite .... to remain stable over the earth as it rotates it has to be out over the equator. So, in other words it is where the sun travels. Basically, if you know where the sun travels you will know where the belts of the satellites are. The only view that I have of the sun, with all the trees if you can see there in the pictures, is the south west view. That can only be gotten from that corner of the roof. Mr. Sasser: Is it ....? Referring to it geographical. Mr. Paoloni: It is just tall trees. Very tall, old trees. We are down on the .... parts there. A lot of moist swamp and semi swamp areas. Those trees are deep rooted and constantly getting water there. Mr. Levenson: That is what we call a window. Mr. Prager: Is that what you paid him $53, to look at the sun? "- Paoloni: It took him two seconds. He walked in and said right. We stalled two for my father-in-law. That is where I had gotten this satellite dish. He had died two years ago and we had put it on one part of his house in the Bronx and then he wanted a better view of some of the western satellites, which is down a little lower along the ecliptic, the western horizon and we moved it to another spot. That is how I pretty much know where they are and ... Mr. Sasser: How big is your lot? I think it is zoned R-20. Mr. Levenson: It is a special zone. It has a density zone. Mr. Sasser: In these pictures, the satellite would be on the front of the house or the back? Mr. Paoloni: It would be on the roof at the apex. Mr. Sasser: Facing the house on the right of what? Mr. Paoloni: Is that the back or the front? Mr. Sasser: That is the front. Mr. Paoloni: It would be the left. Mr. Sasser: On the left on the apex. . Paoloni: On the apex. The trees are on the right and that would be enough to clear it. Mr. Sasser: So, it is over the garage then. - Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 23 Mr. Paoloni: Right, that is the only way you can get it_ Mr. Prager: Did you ever get a brochure or a picture of the dish or not? Mr. Paoloni: Well, what I did was, the main picture that I had given to you, I had drawn to scale, measured on the garage and cut out a piece of Mr. Prager: Was that what that was? Mr. Paoloni: Yes. Mr. Prager: I didn't realize that was -what you had done. I was wondering. I thought there was something wrong with the picture. LOOKING THROUGH THE PICTURES Mr. Sasser: I see the back of your house has got an addition up on the pylon. Would this not be less visible if you were to put it on the apex of the roof on the back? Paoloni: (Pointing at the picture.) The trees are right in here. len, there are trees all back in here. The only way to get the ..... belt is to be here. Anything in here would .... these trees. The extension which you are seeing is behind the, well the kitchen in these type houses. It runs back, which is even deeper into those trees. If I could have put it there, I would have. The last place I would want to put it would be ... Mr. Sasser: Have you discussed it with your neighbors? Mr. Paoloni: Yes, I sent the thing out so obviously. They thought we were taking them to court. Mr. Sasser: Have you had any response from them? Mr. Paoloni: The neighbors said why are you taking us to court, they thought? Mr. Sasser: Whenever you get something certified. Mr. Paoloni: I thought they seem to have no problem. At least not enough of a problem to make an issue of it. Mr. Sasser: You have cable in the area? You just wanted the expanded services? Paoloni: Actually, the business that I am in, I am in purchasing search. Also, what we do is telecommunications with different ...... through out the world. It is like when I first got a computer back in 1981 and played with it and grew with it. I actually ended up getting my next two jobs as a result of that. The purchasing items that are on all of those different satellites to the east and towards the west there have t Wappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 24 an enormous different, it is a whole type of advertising and all kinds of specific types of purchasing that can be done. Not typical materials, but some MRI. I'm not saying that there is anything there right now, but you never know. It is good to keep up with these kinds of fields, electronics, computers, and these types of areas. It is not quite like a hobby. It was just like a computer was to me years ago. It ended up being part of what is current today. It is somewhat programming equipment and it is all the different modes of purchasing, data retrieval. I get quotes for platinum in different kinds of commodities in Hawthorn from the World Trade Center. The rabbit ears outside my windows they collect different quotes for your option quotes, soy bean oils, to track prices. Lets say that we have a satellite dish in Hawthorn or Ardsley for the Purchasing Department, but it is the beginning of keeping up with that technology. Mr. Sasser:Does the Board have any questions or comments? Mr. Lehigh: No, I make a motion that we .. Mr. Sasser: Wait we have one more. �. Fanuele: I make a motion with one condition. That when you are done %Wing it, it comes down. When the time comes that you are not using it anymore, take it off_ Mr. Paoloni: Or get a smaller one as the technology gets better. Mr. Prager: Right. Mr. Sasser: We have a motion and Mr. Lehigh did you second that? Mr. Lehigh: Well, I was motioning to close. Mr. Sasser: You are right. Lets close the public hearing. We have a motion to close the public hearing by Mr. Prager. Mr. Fanuele: Second. Vote: All ayes. Mr. Sasser: Now, you had made the motion to grant .. Mr. Lehigh: No, I was making the motion to close the hearing, I will let Mr. Fanuele make the motion. Mr. Fanuele: I will make the motion that we grant approval with the condition that when he is done using it takes it down. 1�r. Sasser: And Mr. Lehigh has seconded that motion. Can we have a roll call vote? ROLL CALL: Mr. Fanuele: Aye. Mr. Prager: Aye. Mr. Lehigh: Aye. Mr. Sasser: Aye. Vappinger Zoning Board Minutes - February 28, 1995 Page 25 Mr. Sasser: It has been approved. That will be filed with the Town Clerk within five days. You can get a copy of it from Herb. Mr. Paoloni: I am probably going to paint it in that color that you saw. The brown and the grey. It will blend in with the trees in the back. Mr. Sasser: I was thinking to myself, is that the only other alternative is to cutdown some of those trees in the back? I think that might be . I mean I couldn't imagine anybody wanting to see those big mature trees cut down. Mr. Lehigh: Before we come to a close tonight, - has anybody sent a letter? Mr. Levenson: No, we just found out about it. Mr. Sasser: Is anybody going to send a letter to say thank you? Mr. Levenson: The Town Clerk does that. fMr. Prager: we have done that in the past though, haven't we? yrs. Nguyen: I saw copies on that in the files. Mr. Levenson: I will get a letter and leave a signatured line for each one of the surviving Board members. Mr. Lehigh: I make a motion for an adjournment. Mr. Prager: Second. Vote: All ayes. 'MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:30 P.M.. Respectfully submitted, Mr Li a ;guy Secretary Zoning Board of Appeals