1978-07-24 PH803 At
A Public Hearing was held by the Town Board of the Town of
Wappinger on July 24th, 1978 at 7:00 P.M. at Town Hall, Mill
Street, Village of Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County, New York,
on a Local Law Amending Local Law Mo. 7 of 1975, Establishing
Rates for the Fleetwood Water District.
Supervisor Diehl opened the Hearing at 7:00 P.M.
Present:
Louis Diehl, Supervisor
Leif Jensen, Councilman
Nicholas Johnson, Councilman
Bernice Mills, Councilwoman
Janet Reilly, Councilwoman
Elaine Snowden, Town Clerk
Others Present:
Matthew Ryan, Comptroller
The Town Clerk offered for the record the Affidavit of Posting and
Publication duly signed and notarized (attached hereto). Notices
had been sent to the newspapers and radio stations and notice was
posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board.
Thomas Morris, 20 Kretch Circle, asked the Board if their minds
were already made up. At the last meeting you stated that rates
had to be raised because of the cost of vandalism; what you are
doing is telling me that I have to pay more even though I have no
kids running around wrecking the plants. The water stinks, it's
full of sand, his wife has to put a handkerchief around the faucet
evertime she takes a bath, but nothing is ever done about that.
Mike Standish, 2 Franton Drive --just moved in this past year, on the
notice you sent it says if you use less than 28,000 gallons of water
you will pay a minimum charge, if you use over 28,000, it will be less.
He has no children so he's not responsible for any vandalism.
The notice, it seems, was not sent from the Town Hall. The proposed
local law read "$.70 per 1,000 gallons or $13.35 minimum per quarter,
whichever shall be greater".
Frank Devine, 48 Kretch Circle --there's only two of them, why should
they subsidize a water system for other people. Does'nt mind paying
his share, but not anyone else's share.
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Tony Cerato, 2 Ronsue Drive --does not work all year round, uses
15,000 or 17,000 per quarter. Suppose you go away for a month and
doesn't, use all that water, what happens then. It's not right, a
man should pay for what he uses, not what you people say he should
pay.
Cliff Martin, 22 Fleetwood Drive, I want to know what the difference
will be in my bill, last year paid under $50 per quarter for water
and sewer. It looked to him that he would be paying $70 per
quarter, that's almost 1/3 increase ---it's ridiculous! What's
-the amount in expenses of the district? Mr. Ryan answered,$18,232
gross expenses which includes the amortization of the debt, for
Fleetwood Water District; the Sewer District is $46,320 per year
including the amortization fo the debt. He pointed out that if
the Town Board adopts this rate, the Water District would be the
least expensive in the Town.
Mrs. Montgomery, 61 Kretch Circle --she called the office two weeks
ago to complain about black water in her toilet which is also the
drinking water; nothing was done about it. They talked about
Federal funding for Rockingham, but Fleetwood needed it more.
Nothing has been done since Mr. Gallo owned it. She's tired'of
hearing about vandalism and break -downs. Why didn't they apply for
funding for their area?
Linda Andrews, 8 Midge Drive --did anyone from the Town Board ever
smell or try to drink their water? The price is outrageous, but her
main gripe was the smell --try to eat breakfast or try to take a
shower, you come out smelling worse than when you went in. She
would not be so upset with the rate if they had decent water.
Mike Santoro, 10 Ronsue Drive --how many users are there in the
district ---128 single homes, 44 apartments plus a tenant who pays
double rates but does not pay capital cost. The apartment pays at
the rate of 3/4 for a unit. When told by Mr. Santoro there were
54 apartments, Mr. Ryan said the Assessor would check it out.
The amount of $4,500 will be realized for the Water District as a
result of this increase. Part of this money will be spent on new
meters.
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George Snyder, 47 KretchCircle--his wife tries to save all the
water she can, tries not to use too much; where do they come up
with this 19,000 gallons that we supposedly have to use. If that's
how it's going to be, he'll flush the water right out to the street.
It used to be 9,000 gallon minimum. They're encouraging people to
use more.
Mrs. Solomon --the price is too high.
Joseph Incoronato--back when Gallo owned it, it used to be 9,000
gallon limit. It should be less -than the magic number of 19,000.
The profit margin is Camo Pollution Control or any other operator.
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With nine districts in the Town, we're going to have to go to a
Town Water and Sewer Department. Several years ago they proposed
a Board of Governors to see that proper rates were imposed and they
were fair; this has not materialized. There's three members of the
Board who do not live in these districts. They have got to implement
a Board of Governors and a Town Department.
Mary Duncan, 13 Ronsue Drive --rates are too high. When they replace
the meters, they should put them on the outside like Central Hudson
does.
Richard Leslie, 77 Kretch Circle, has 5 people in the family, bills
last year $190, fills a swimming pool, it will run him about $284.
minimum this year.
Pete Muro, 10 Midge Drive, asked the cost of operation and mainten-
ance. He also asked about a Town Water and Sewer Department, they
should start looking into that. It's a known fact, he said, they
did not mention Fleetwood when applying for Federal funding. He
wanted to know what happened to the original plan for updating the
system. The money was supposed to be in the sale price; the Health
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Department demanded this.
Joe Murphy, 6 Midge Drive, he cannot separate the water and sewer,
the billing is the same --why are they so high? He hears a lot about
vandalism, is there really that much, does it cost that much to keep
the plants going? What is the possibility of tapping into Town
water? Everyone has a legitimate gripe, he thought. You don't seem
to be able to answer a simple question. When he has visitors, he's
embarassed with the smell of the water.
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Frank Devine --a few years ago it was requested that the people
in the district get a defined cost of the system --we are still
waiting for it.
Tom Morris --hasn't missed a water hearing yet. They say the
biggest gripe is the minimum charge -they're wrong. Yes, we
complain about the price, but it's the quality of the water that
we are really complaining about. All it's good for is flushing
the water. Who can check out the sand I'm getting? He's always
out when there's an electric storm. Air makes the meter spin, what
can they do about the air pockets. He invited the Board to his
house to drink the water.
Linda Andrews --why wasn't there a long term plan to hook them
into Town water; she would pay anything to get a decent glass of
water and take a shower. Tell us what we can do, don't tell us
immaterial things. She offered to go to every single house and find
out what the people wanted; what about ten years from now, can I pay
my water bill. What is available, I have to have something to tell
them. Do I just ask for an engineering study on the quality of
the water. Mr. Diehl answered that that was all that was necessary;
some action would come from it; she would get a response.
Cliff Martin-- why was the idea of 19,000 gallons brought up, most
people think this is too much. He had no complaint about his water,
his was drinkable. Something is added to the water, but it seems
the people on the hill do not benefit by it. Is it possible to add
more of whatever they're adding to help those that cannot use their
water? Do other development pay $200 to $300 for water and sewer?
This seems a lot.
John Campala, 11 Midge Drive, objected to any increase, he has four
kids and a wife that doesn't work, he cannot keep paying increases.
He can't drink the water, can't shower, let it rot as far as he is
concerned. He doesn't want any increase of any kind. They're
giving me nothing for my money.
Peggy Jones, 22 Kretch Circle, agreed with previous speaker; everyone
works for a living, nobody is giving us anything; everything is going
up, some things you can control, water is not one of them, so you try
to limit the amount of water you use to keep your bills down. She
hasn't figured out where the 19,000 gallons comes from. There's
two people in her family. She hasn't seen any improvement in nine
years, she gets her water from Beacon. She can't drink the water,
or take a shower --it has to stop, stop reaching for the stars,
everyones' pocket will soon be empty.
Mrs. Montgomery --you mentioned Federal funding before --why not put
it on paper; send it to Congressman Fish; tell him about it, help
us instead of other countries. Petitions won't help, you'll see,
most of the people will say no because they do not want to spend
any more money.
Oire Eileen Wilvers, 8 Ronsue Drive, gave a history of the plant and
its problems. It's not fair to charge people if they do not use
the water. As far as the vandalism patrol, that's no use, you
know exactly when they'll be there, if they are. Meter Readers
should read on Saturday, everyone is home then.
Carol Petaro, Osborne Hill Road --when you know you're having these
meetings, send us notices of them in the mail. Where did you get
the figure of 19,000 gallons, it's not fair to small families.
Mary Durkin, 13 Ronsue Drive --wasn't Fleetwood sewer one of the
first sewer districts in New York State? Why wasn't it kept up,
why did you let it deterioate?
Shirley Solomon, Franton Drive told the Board that she sent them
a letter a couple of years ago; at the University of Syracuse they
teach water and sewer maintenance; she asked the Board at that time
why they didn't contact them and ask for advice and recommendations
on their problems. Nobody bothered to look into it.
Mr. Solomon --two years ago they took a survey and had a meeting.
Mr. Lapar was going to look into it. The people who don't have
sulphur water aren't interested, they don't have to worry about it,
but that was the end of it. What about the people that want to get
rid of this sulphur -do something for them.
160 Joseph Incoronato--looked over his bills for a few years, in 1974,
the rate was slightly over $1.00 per thousand, 1975 and 1976, it was
$1.80, 1977 through this point $2.67, that's 3 fold in four years.
When the Conservation Council asked for an increase of 30 to 40%
in 1979, Mr. Diehl said he wouldn't accept that, they wanted to
hold the line. Why not follow the same philosophy in the water and
sewer districts?
Gary Steinbrueck, 44 Kretch Circle --what is the consensus of the
Board on the rates? Different proposals have been mentioned tonight
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will there be another hearing to consider alternatives?
Allan Dempsey, 9 Kretch Circle, what is your definition of a major
change to hold another Public Hearing? ;You're telling us if therd's
a major change, you have to hold another hearing, he's asking the
Board, what is their definition of a major change, he asked again.
Cliff Martin --why do you have a hang-up on separating water and
sewer, why not do them together.
Joe Murphy, it really is one item, why not separate it on paper
but let the people speak on both. We pay one bill and we consider
it together, not separately. Can't we have an itemized statement
on where our money is going, either semi-annually or annually.
No one else spoke.
Mr. Johnson moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by Mrs.
Mills and carried.
The Hearing closed at 9:00 P.M.
Elaine H. Snowden
Town Clerk
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TOWN BOARD: TOWN OF WAPPINGER
DUTCHESS COUNTY: NEW YORK
IN THE MATTER
AFFIDAVIT OF
OF POSTING
A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW AMENDING LOCAL
LAW NO. 7, 1975, ESTABLISHING RATES
FOR TUE-FLEETWOOD WATER DISTRICT.
STATE OF NEW YORK )
) ss:
COUNTY OF DUTCHESS )
ELAINE H. SNOWDEN, being duly sworn, deposes and
says:
That she is the duly elected, qualified and acting
Town Clerk of the Town of Wappinger. County of Dutchess
and State of New York.
That on July llth, 1978, your deponent posted a copy
of the attached notice of Public Hearing on a proposed
Local Law Amending Local Law No. 7, 1975, Establishing
Rates for the Fleetwood Water District, on the signboard
maintained by your deponent in her office in the Town Hall
of the Town of Wappinger, Mill Street, in the Village of
Wappingers Falls, Town of Wappinger, Dutchess County, New
York.
Sworn to before me this 2 (/'
day of / .(c 197.
Notar blic
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fiCC
Elaine H. Snowden
Town Clerk
Town of Wappinger
DISPLAY ADVERTISING
and 5.
NEWS
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CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING
914-297-3723
84 EAST MAIN STREET - WAPPINGERS FALLS
4OTICE 15 HEREBY GIVEN that)
there has been duly presented and in -
traduced before the Town Board of the
Town of Wappinger, Dutchess County,
New York on July 10th, 1978, a proposed ,
Local Law Amending Local Law No. 7,
1975, Establishing Rates for the Fleet-
wood Water District as follows: The
following rates shall be charged for the
Fleetwood Water District --S.70 per 1,000
gallons or 513.35 minimum, whichever
shall be greater.
NOTICE 15 FURTHER GIVEN that
the Town Board of the Town of Wap-
pinger will conduct a public hearing on
the aforesaid proposed Local Law at
Town Hall, Mill Street, Village of
Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County,
P.M.
FNew oJuly 74th,
1978 7tiim
OST, on such day, at
e all
Parties interested will abeiheeard.
Snowden
Town Clerk
Town of Wappinger 1
Dated: July 11th. 1978
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State of New York,
County of Dutchess,
Town of Wappinger.
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Town of Wappinger, Dutchess County. New Yak,
being duly sworn, says that he is. and R the several
titres hereinafter was, tbCo,Editoz,publisherof
W. & S.D. NEWS. a newspaper printed and published
every Thursday in the year in the Town of Wappinger,
Dutchess County, New York, and that the annexed
NOTICE was duly published in the said newspaper for
... o$g. , , week successively... MO.. in each week,
commencing on the...1Zt1l.. day of July
197$ and on the following dates thereafter. namely on
and ending on the
12 thday Of.... Atlty
197.§ both days inclusive.
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Subscribed and sworn to before me
this .1.2 tt1..... day of r.Iti1y 19..7.8
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A Public Hearing was held by the Town Board of the Town of
Wappinger on July 24, 1978 at 7:30 Pm at Town Hall, Mill Street,
Village of Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County, New York, on a
proposed Local Law mending
the Rates for the Fleetwood
Supervisor Diehl opened the
Present:
Local Law No. 4 of 1976 Establishing
Sewer District.
Hearing at 9:01 P.M.
Louis Diehl, Supervisor
Leif Jensen, Councilman
Nicholas Johnson, Councilman
Bernice Mills, Councilwoman
Janet Reilly, Councilwoman
Elaine Snowden, Town Clerk
Others Present:
Matthew Ryan, Comptroller
The Town Clerk offered for the record the Affidavits of Posting
and Publication duly signed and notarized, (attached hereto).
Notices were sent to the newspapers and radio stations, and notice
was posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board.
Tony Salvato, 2 Ronsue Drive --average bill runs about $40.00,
controls flush of the toilet so he
cannot afford it. He'll be paying
goes through.
doesn't
use too much water;
nearly $70.00 if this law
Linda Andres --it's not fair that everyone pays $55.00 for sewer.
If I use a small amount, that's what I want to pay for not for
everyone else that goes over the minimum.
Joe Murhphy, 6 Midge Drive --you make a certain salary and you budget
on that amount, you just can't keep squeezing more out of your budget.
Why should people with no children pay the same as those that have
2,3 or six children --grossly unfair.
Warren Muller, 1 Franton Drive, why change it, just up the rate.
Tom Morris, he's home 4 hours a day, he uses the toilet more at
work than he does at home. The most he ever paid was between $26.00
and $35.00 combined.
Pete Muro, asked the operating costs --$46,320 including capital
costs. Where is all this excess money coming from? Can't you
look into Federal funding for this system? How long will this
system last?
Cliff Martin --many of us are going to be paying $20 to $30 more per
$ 03T4,
month, it seemed to him they would realize much more than $4,000.
Mike Stanulewich., 2 Franton Drive --with this new rate, his sewer
cost would be up 50%. Some are increased, some are not.
Carol Petaro--why didn't you do more calculations so you could come
up with a fair solution to all?
Barbara Haak, Ronsue Drive --how many people do not pay their bills?
Jack Johnston, 21 Kretch Circle --would rather pay for what he uses
than a flat rate. This is not even distribution, will pay his
fair share.
Joseph Incoronato, he has a swimming pool, washes his car, waters
the lawn, but all this does not go through the sewer. The way
meters are being read is wrong judging from the various bills.
We are subsidizing the low meters. Would like to see a fixed
amount.
Charlie Solomon --you mentioned outstanding bills against the
district. How are contingencies being figures so you don't get
socked at the end of the year. Are they being figured in?
George. Schneider --if I can'tafford a telephone, I can take it
out --I can't do that with sewer and water, I can't dig a well,
I'm stuck with paying a bill. Those who use more than the minimum
are making out great. It's unfair.
Allan Dempsey, 9 Kretch Circle, --how do you get a new meter? His
must be broken judging from the bills he gets.
Gary Steinberg --he would be more in favor of a fixed cost.
Cliff Martin --what has been done about the people whose meters
have not been read? How do you figure out what their bills are?
No one else spoke.
MRS. MILLS moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by Mrs.
Reilly and carried.
The Hearing closed; at 9:55 P.M.
Elaine H. Snowden
Town Clerk
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NEWS
DISPLAY ADVERTISING CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING
914-297-3723
84 EAST MAIN STREET . WAPPINGERS FALLS
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVdENaatl
t
there has been duly pr
in-
troduced before ^ he T Town h Board
County, t the
Town of Wapp 9e
New York, on July 10th, 1978, a proposed ,
Local Law Amending Local Law No. 4,
of 1976 Establishing theRates for the
Fleetwood Sewer District as follows: i
Section 2: Delete 51.99 per thousand
gallons and substitute 555.00 per quarter.
NOTICE I5 FURTHER GIVEN that
the Town Board of the Town of Wap-
pinger will conduct a public hearing on
the aforesaid proposed Local Law at
Town Hall, Mill Street, Village of
Wappingers Falls, Dutchess County, 1
YorkNew
on such lday, at 478 at which 7:30 I.
timeEDST, all
parties interested will aerhead.
ErSnowdeni
• Town Clerk
Town of Wappinger
Dated: July 11, 1989
AFFIDAVIT OP PUBLICATION
State of New York,
County of Dutchess,
Town of Wappinger.
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Beatrice Osten of the
Town of Wappinger, Dutcbess County, New Yak,
being duly swan, says that he is, and 8t the several
times hereinafter was, tbeCP .W.tQr:2V i.:Wienf
W. & S.D. NEWS. a newspaper printed and published
every Thursday in the year in the Town of Wappinger.
Dutcbess County. New York. and that the annexed
NOTICE was duly published in the said newspaper for
one week successively once in each week.
commencing on the 12th day of JuL.y
19.7? and on the following dates thereafter. namely on
and ending on the....Ztb..day of .hely
19.1$ both days inclusive.
Subscribed and sworn to before me
this 12th day of, ..,.Iu1y 19. 78
Notary Public
My commission expires
TOWN BOARD: TOWN OF WAPPINGER
DUTCHESS COUNTY: NEW YORK
IN THE MATTER AFFIDAVIT OF
OF POSTING
A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW AMENDING
LOCAL LAW #4 of 1976, ESTABLISHING
THE RATES FOR THE FLEETWOOD SEWER DISTRICT.
STATE OF NEW YORK )
ss:
COUNTY OF DUTCHESS )
ELAINE H. SNOWDEN, being duly sworn, deposes and
says:
That she is the duly elected, qualified and acting
Town Clerk of the Town of Wappinger, County of Dutchess
and State of New York.
That on July llth, 1978, your deponent posted a copy
of the attached notice of Public Hearing on a proposed
Local Law Amending Local Law #4 of 1976 Establishing the
Rates for the Fleetwood Sewer District, on the signboard
maintained by your deponent in her office in the Town Hall
of the Town of Wappinger, Mill Street, in the Village of
Wappingers Falls, Town of Wappinger, Dutchess County, New
York.
Sworn to before me this
day if
Notary Public
1978.
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Elaine H. Snowden
Town Clerk
Town of Wappinger